Heather - So the next question is, What count do you use? I have had people ask me, “Oh what count do I use when I am counting cards? And what I usually tell them is I just tell them, do the easiest one that you can do that fits you if you are comfortable with it, you do it. But I know people still want to know, what does a professional card counter use?
Mystery Guest - Well most of the professional card counters that I knew and know use the simple Hi/Lo.
Heather - Awesome
Mystery Guest - Aces and 10’s verses 2 thru 6, 7 and 8 & 9’s are neutral. When I started I would play a lot of single deck, and I didn’t really get how we didn’t need to work quite that hard. I had an index for 13 against a 7. I know I made really not much money with that index. I used -- I started out counting Hi Up 3,4,5,6 vs 10’s.
Heather - Right.
Mystery Guest - Aces on the side. I also counted 7 on the side as well.
Heather - Oh okay.
Mystery Guest - For a single deck that is nice. You know when you got 14 against a 10 it’s nice to know how many 7s are in that deck. But ultimately it mattered so much more how you gage the heat. And how you knew when to get out of the casino, or -- And so many other little things that were more important than knowing how many 7s are left in the deck.
Heather - So it sounds like you are combining math with social skills. There’s not very many people that can do both of those.
Mystery Guest - Yeah, you not only have to have social skills, but you have to have that weird brain that can handle the swings and the heat and such. It’s rare. I am not sure I have the social skills. I don’t think I do.
Heather - So you keep saying that it takes a weird brain to do this. What -- if you could make up a person that is completely fictional, what qualities would you give this person that would make them a really great card counter? Besides a photographic memory.
Mystery Guest - You know maybe it doesn’t matter that much about card counting.
Heather - Okay.
Mystery Guest - Like that Hi/lo that I was talking about 2 thru 6 vs 10s and aces. You're just remembering one number. One number, so you don’t have to have a photographic memory. So it’s not a good brain. So it’s not a memory thing. I wouldn’t know how to describe that person. I know him when I meet him. I have a few friends that fit that description. I don’t even know what it is exactly. I wouldn’t even know really how to describe it. Or certainly not know how to look for it. You work with somebody and you learn about their rhythms, you learn about what goes on in their head before, and during, and after they play. And you see who is good and you see who is not.
Heather - Is working in a team especially difficult as in finding people who you groove with or finding the correct people that let’s say don’t know blow their top if heat is applied.
Mystery Guest - Yeah that is a big conversation. You know when you are working with other people there’s issues of -- you know you have to have trust. And you have to be justified in that trust. There’s a lot to that part of it. And then the other part of it, you see it pretty much everywhere -- in my experience is that I’m not surprised -- if you know somebody pretty well after seeing them work under pressure in a casino, you know pretty quickly.
Heather - What makes a bad team player?
Mystery Guest - Well, a dishonest person.
Heather - Oh if they are trying to steal from you guys? Does that happen often?
Mystery Guest - It definitely happens you have to be really careful, you have to know who you are playing with. So there’s that. And then there's people -- so there’s also trust in terms of what you are doing, what kind of tricks you are doing, and whether it’s fair for that person to talk to somebody else who’s not on the team about those tricks and -- and things like that. It gets pretty complicated and it gets, you get caught.
Heather - What do you look for when you go in?
Mystery Guest - In a teammate or in a casino?
Heather - In a casino. So if you and your team are going to a casino --
Mystery Guest - Sure, I can answer that question. That’s an easy question.
Heather - Oh okay.
Mystery Guest - We want a casino that’s making a lot of money.
Heather - For themselves?
Mystery Guest - Yes.
Heather - Okay.
Mystery Guest - If they are making a lot of money we can operate -- they won’t notice us and we won’t matter.
Heather - How do you determine that?
Mystery Guest - We just look around. A lot of people are playing a lot of money. They are making the casinos a lot of money.
Heather - For example, if you went to Las Vegas or the Las Vegas strip you would hit Bellagio, Venetian, Wynn, one of the upper tier type of casinos?
Mystery Guest - Yes, there are other casinos that are making a lot of money. There are other casinos that are not maybe considered upper tier but generally, yes.
Heather - So what do you look for to consider that they are making a lot of money then? If it could be a lower tier casino?
Mystery Guest - Well it’s simple, you just see action. If they are getting a lot of action they are making a lot of money. You can assume that almost everybody is a bad gambler in a casino. So if there’s action, casinos are making money.
Heather - So a busy casino.
Mystery Guest - A busy casino or people playing high.
Heather - A lot of money?
Mystery Guest - Yeah. Or action.
Heather - So what if you went into a casino, it’s dead there’s not very many people?
Mystery Guest - You’re not going to make much money in there. It doesn’t matter what you do. It doesn’t matter how good you are.
Heather - Why is that?
Mystery Guest - Well it’s not just about -- it’s not a game in a bubble, it’s a game, it’s a business, the casino is in business to make money from gamblers. If they are not making money from gamblers there’s going to be issues from the top all the way down. You know the dealers are not going to be making any money. The bosses aren’t going to be making money. I mean the owners will not be making money, everyone in between. They would do something. They would close their business Or they would change their business and they would certainly be really watchful in terms of gamblers that are actually winning. They don’t like that. Certain casinos are famous for thinking everybody is card counting and everybody has an edge and other casinos kind of let you play a little more. You know so, you have that. It usually comes from the top, owners on down. But then more importantly is just that the casinos make money. They are doing well. That’s the number one thing. You wouldn’t think. You would think there would be a lot of other things. There’s a lot of ways to go get an advantage at the casino. Almost every casino offers something. The only thing that makes one seem different from another is whether they are making money or not. If they are making money everybody is happy. The owners are happy, the bosses are happy, the dealers are happy, the gamblers are happy and we are happy. Everybody is making money.
Heather - So you blend in?
Mystery Guest - Yes. They aren’t -- they’ll let you take more.
Heather - Okay. They are used to it.
Mystery Guest - Right before they ask you to leave.
Heather - So if you went into a break-in house where $5 minimum is normal and you go in and try to play $100 you are going to get attention fast and that is why you’re not looking for. But if you go to a busy casino and your $100 is a normal bet and people are making it all the time, that is a good casino to go to because they are used to it, right?
Mystery Guest - That’s generally true.
Heather - Got it! I think I understand it. Cool. So what else do you look for and what else do you think about before you start card counting?
Mystery Guest - Well, all those things. I guess that you want to hear about a casino before you even go into it, you want to hear from the people that have been in it.
Heather - Oh Okay. Do they have a forum or a chat room online with all this?
Mystery Guest - You know I don’t deal with that stuff, but I believe they do.
Heather - Okay.
Mystery Guest - I think there are ways to get that information.
Heather - Okay. Cool. Do you know any websites that you could recommend to our audience?
Mystery Guest - No.
Heather - So that’s secret too. Just so you know. Mums the word. I got you. I got you covered. We’ve got James Bond thing going on here we are good. Okay cool. So is there anything else that I haven’t asked that you have to consider that we could talk about?
Mystery Guest - You mean in terms of how to make money card counting?
Heather - Yes.
Mystery Guest - Okay. We have covered a lot. Not in depth but what we have covered the important things that you need to think about -- the bank roll, having honest team mates, how much heat you going to give to the casino, you need to have rules, adjust your play accordingly, you need to look for the -- I guess the one thing we haven’t talked about is penetration.
Heather - Hey watch it, I don’t want any more videos deleted from YouTube this is not porn I swear.